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Otago students trespassed from parts of their own university Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:27 pm
Otago NORML president Abe Gray was today trespassed from the entire area of Otago University where the 4:20 protests take place. There are more to follow, namely the people who were arrested last Thursday.
Yes, you read that correctly. Students of a university are now lawfully forbidden to set foot on parts of their own campus.
This is classic divide and conquer. They figure if they cut the head off, then the body will fall. I'm fairly sure it won't work out that way, but if they trespass enough people, it may just happen.
This is where you come in. Even though you are not necessarily (in fact probably not) Otago students, you can still write a letter to the proctor (who signed off personally on these trespasses) and tell him where to go.
The Proctor may well be getting the heat put on him to nip the pro cannabis movement in the bud.. His boss is Helen or her cronies , and they fear being seen as going soft on cannabis pre election .. in part to sweeten up those with an interest in cannabis remaining illegal , but as well to avoid too much exposure that might show how they have been fudging the cannabis issue and risk their credibility if the facts get out there.
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Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 7:07 pm
Tony wrote:
The Proctor may well be getting the heat put on him to nip the pro cannabis movement in the bud.. His boss is Helen or her cronies , and they fear being seen as going soft on cannabis pre election .. in part to sweeten up those with an interest in cannabis remaining illegal , but as well to avoid too much exposure that might show how they have been fudging the cannabis issue and risk their credibility if the facts get out there.
tony
Are you on the anti-Helen bandwagon, Tony? I think your suggestion that She is behind the Otago University authorities clamp-down is ridiculous (- as ridiculous as your suggestion that you will be excluded from Sativex because of your lobbying activities).
Why wasn't the Cannabus harassed significantly during its nationwide tour?
Are you on the anti-Helen bandwagon, Tony? I think your suggestion that She is behind the Otago University authorities clamp-down is ridiculous (- as ridiculous as your suggestion that you will be excluded from Sativex because of your lobbying activities).
Why wasn't the Cannabus harassed significantly during its nationwide tour?
I am sure suggesting its an inopportune time for Labour to give the appearance they are going soft on Cannabis .
Not only do they have the coalition agreement to be seen adhering to and getting off side with Dunne , Peters and Anderton , especially with the likely hood they will have to go along with it again if they can put the numbers together after the next election..
As well the likes of Norml, Greenscross and other lobby groups in support of CLR are unlikely to offer much in the way of election funding , something they are desperate for , others have much deeper pockets .
It was the fact the Cannabus was so well accepted , the police used common sense .Otago Norml were getting accepted and doing a very good job of gaining sympathy for the cause . even attracting some substantial support from experts ..Even the media was begining to notice..
Not a good luck for labour so close to an election.. Yep I sure think they put the word out .
I got slightly suspicious I may well not be on the top of the approval for Sativex when I was given some copies of notes from internal files ..But thats for a later.
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Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 9:01 pm
I think you are right Tony. Why is the university cracking down now, after more than 2 years of tolerance? Politicians are cynical and power hungry enough to calculate in the way you have described.
I think you are right Tony. Why is the university cracking down now, after more than 2 years of tolerance? Politicians are cynical and power hungry enough to calculate in the way you have described.
Hmm, I have good cause to be confident unfortunately.
I think some evidences of just how right I am might well be about to surface, not so lost in a saga playing out currently.
I guess time will prove if I am a conspirator theorist's that is maligning the integrity of the Politicians .And have got it wrong by unjustifiably suggesting they manipulate the police to suit political agendas ..
Helen and her cronies would never do such a thing..have they??
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Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 10:39 pm
Dude i believe that the impetus for the trespass notices has come from the university administration, concerned about the reputation of the uni.
Helen has been a supporter of partial prohibition and if elected Labour would likely change the law. Especially with an ALCP, Greens, Maori coaltion government. _________________ Tick the Leaf - www.alcp.org.nz
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I heard that the uni was mostly concerned about fewer foreign students coming to Dunners if their parents thought it was a place for pot smoking instead of serious study. Because foreign students = $$$$ and $$$$ > human rights.
If trespass is how they will treat it, how about move to somewhere more public, like the location for J Day - The Octogan.
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Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 7:28 pm
They want us to move off campus.
We are not going to move location until cannabis is legal.
We are only protected by OUSA on campus, without their support CLR wouldf be on its ass, instead victory is at hand.
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BudBeard,
I am no more anti Helen than I am any other politician who may well be not a prohibitionist but if given the opportunity fails to act with integrity.
I might well have a minor degree of sympathy regards rec cannabis , it has its own complexities , but even then not a lot.. but medical .. in particular when they are aware , not blinded with ignorance or personal hang ups like some of the others .
I spent over 40 yrs extremely active within the labour Party , and have known many of them personally .Was even tied up with the Princess St Uni labour , along with Helen and a few others..it was actively anti prohibition.. I was on Helen's team at one stage.Still associate with many still active within.
They have had 9 yrs to implement change and for much of that time had two ALCP members in the house as well .
The odds on labour getting the numbers to rule and to avoid a coalition with the prohibitionists are pretty slim .The Nats have the legs , even if many individual Nat MP's support cannabis reform Key's will not bend.
With the exposure CLR was getting on top of substantial positive medpot reporting there was two choices , Let Cannabis law reform become an election issue , or close it down..Otago NORML activities following on behind the cannabus and others, the perception a go soft on cannabis policy was in place .
It was decided to close it down , to defend a go soft would have required them to admit they had been withholding support while fully understanding the folly of prohibition , as well let potential medical users suffer the wrath of the law or further suffering for political reasons.. a credibility problem , not wise pre election.Too bigger an about face .
Otago NORML were just doing too good a job at getting the message out there , they needed to be shut down.. If the Proctor acted on his own volition to protect the good name of the UNi I would expect it was just good timing.. or good politics on the proctors part.
I gather both the Proctor's Office and the Police received a number of complaints with a rather more colorful account of what was taking place than the over reaction warranted.
I am on your side, and I hope I have got it wrong and you are right..
If I am wrong its just a glitch not the beginning of an orchestrated effort to shut us down .
Fingers crossed I am wrong..
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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 2:59 pm
Politically motivated?.. f 'n fascists.. this is justified 4.20 civil disobedience.
So the university "has a problem with illegal activity".
It was also an "illegal activity" to aid and comfort Jews in Hitlers Germany.
Would the Uni have helped round 'em up 70 yrs ago?
The Uni might also like to reflect on the thoughts of Martin Luther King who felt todays
academic freedom is partly due to the civil disobedience practiced by Socrates.
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Lack of quorum foils cannabis vote
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By Allison Rudd on Tue, 22 Jul 2008
University of Otago | News: Dunedin
Abe Gray
A move successfully preventing students from voting on a pro-cannabis resolution was deliberate, Otago University Students Association (OUSA) president Simon Wilson says.
But Mr Wilson said there was nothing he could do to prevent the student general meeting last Thursday being brought to an abrupt end.
Just before a resolution from student Abe Gray, the leader of the Otago chapter of the pro-cannabis group National Organisation for the Reform of Marijuana Laws (Norml), could be voted on, a student called for a quorum count.
The final count was 170 - 27 short of the 197 needed to enable any formal business to be enacted.
Mr Wilson said yesterday he had no choice but to close the meeting.
Asked if he thought the timing of the quorum count was deliberate, he replied: "Yes."
Mr Gray was arrested earlier this month after complaints people were smoking cannabis at a Norml information stand during a student market day.
He has not yet appeared in court.
Last week, he was trespassed from the Union Lawn where Norml holds twice-weekly "smoke-up" protests.
He had lodged two recommendations with the executive both along the lines that OUSA "condemn the actions of Campus Watch and the Campus Cop" for targeting cannabis-using students.
Mr Wilson said Mr Gray was free to put the resolutions on the agenda for the next general meeting, to be held in September or October.
But he said he could not guarantee a quorum count would not be called for at that meeting too.
It was the second general meeting to be abandoned this year because it lacked a quorum.
Mr Wilson said the quorum required was 1% of the total student roll, including students at campuses in Invercargill, Wellington and Christchurch.
It was possible for the executive to propose the quorum figure be reduced, but Mr Wilson said the executive was "not there yet".
Contacted last night, Mr Gray said he was disappointed the resolutions had not been voted upon but would go for ''top of the agenda'' for next meeting.
"A couple of people" on the OUSA executive were "maliciously attempting to undermine the wishes of the student body", he said.
He named one member whom he said was "following a personal anti-drug agenda".
Joined: Oct 27, 2004 Posts: 237 Location: Dunsterdam
Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 12:22 pm
Lets get this straight, Recreational Cannabis users have just as much right to use cannabis as Medical users.
The rights of cannabis users has hit the headline down here in Dunedin big time, I hope the attention becomes a national media issue from now up until the election.
Yeah the university has got itself into a compromised position by saying they will trespass students and non students alike toking or non toking. Excuse Me FukWit Fashists itsn't that ILLEGAL? Suppression of Political Expression and Congregation. Its something out of Stalinist USSR!
NORML again and again has generated media coverage in Dunedin especially since Cannabis Awareness Week. Here it todays offering occupying the top half of the front page:
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