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Velocitor
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 Can you grow a one foot high by wide plant? Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 2:52 pm |
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Cause a mate of mine wants to grow them in like tea pots......
Wondered if he would still get an oz or two off it?
how long would it take to bud if he bent them over to get it budding off the side?
I'm prolly talking a pot like 5" by 5".......maybe 6"????
I dont personally think the plant will die.....
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smokemaster
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| Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 4:04 pm |
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basically no
pot likes to be tall and it wont do much in this tea pot thing of your mates
pot prefers to be about 6 feet tall, and even a 6ft plant might give off an oz at the most if not well treated |
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solarpowered_candle
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| Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 4:57 pm |
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traditionally a grower would expect a plant to grow tallish however there are now many strains that do only grow 12 inches and do yield an oz. Some of this is high octane cannabis as its mostly an auto flowering plant called lowryder. http://www.dope-seeds.com/lowryder.htm
This plant has been crossed now with a large number of plants producing high quality cannabis such as hindu kush or trainwreck or AK47 http://www.dope-seeds.com/mdanzig.htm
There are also some excellent medical starins available such as mummia ( rockbudx jackHerer which grows 12 inches and yields powerful evening meds.http://www.allsalvia.co.uk/growdoc.htm
There are increasing growers now who simply skip the veg pariod or 14 days after seed germination go straight to budding and this produces a smaller plant with excellent results. http://www.nomercy.nl/forum/viewtopic.php?t=241
Lowryder only take 8 to 9 weeks from seed till harvest.
The others may take 9 to 10 weeks. |
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Velocitor
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| Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 9:36 pm |
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hmm I've been reading up on other sites and they all say you can do it.
However I guess we are about to find out, so we've got sprouted seeds he says, planting 2moro and well see where it goes from there.
Maybe I'll get a window pot eh? 
I guess if it all falls over on him, we'll still get to watch pot grow.....maybe I can convince him to find a place somewhere to give them some room.....
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menial
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| Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 10:33 pm |
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| You could lst the hell out of it..... |
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-spirc-
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| Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 12:14 am |
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yes its true a guy i know showed me his new plant a few weeks ago and it looked like nothing ive ever seen before, it was pretty much just a huge bud growing out of the soil i didnt know how he did it up until now
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Velocitor
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| Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 1:15 am |
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and how did he do it?
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Dorga
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| Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 6:48 am |
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| menial wrote: | | You could lst the hell out of it..... |
You are right I think.. LST could be used to wind the stalk into a small circle in the pot ring and force the plant to only be as "wide" as the pot.. height.. I guess that depends on the strain.. =) |
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Dorga
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| Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 6:51 am |
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| -spirc- wrote: | | yes its true a guy i know showed me his new plant a few weeks ago and it looked like nothing ive ever seen before, it was pretty much just a huge bud growing out of the soil i didnt know how he did it up until now |
"Popsicle" .. strip the stalk of all bud/nodes as its growing, leaving fan's until the top node is out, then so the explination goes, the effort of growth is all placed in the main cola. From what I have read, this would not work if also doing LST for obvious reasons. =) |
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Velocitor
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| Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 7:55 pm |
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whats LST?
The seeds went from nothing to out of the ground in 3 days.
By tomorrow all of them will be up......so far its just absolutely kicking ass with how fast its coming up, It took me a week to get this far back home, but then it's prolly cause its 30 degrees and they are in a mini hot house.
We'll have em out in the bush in a week at this rate we might be harvesting (if they dont die that is) in what? 3 months?
Or should we let em take the long high road and grow till they cant grow no more or get root bound as I've also read......?
I'm ecstatic to see what we can do in a Queensland summer......
Were gunna go with a 6" pot....
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menial
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| Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 9:10 pm |
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lst - low stress training.
You can't harvest outdoors until the photoperiod changes and the plants have flowered. |
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Velocitor
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| Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 12:48 am |
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So He'd be better off laying it down or stipping the side and crowing a crown on top?
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menial
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| Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 9:42 am |
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I don't think you can make it through autumn in a 6" pot. Sounds like it's less than a gallon, and shouldn't it be gallon of pot (not weed  ) per foot of plant? You'll be root bound in less than two months. That's before the longest day even hits. |
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Dorga
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| Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 6:49 am |
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| Velocitor wrote: | | whats LST? |
Hay Velocitor, hope this helps..
I did NOT write this or design the pic. Also, if for some reason you try this with say, a LowRyder, dont bother with a 12/12 cycle, they are quite happy with light for the whole life cycle.
Well here we go, LST (Low Stress Training) the ultimate way to maximize your yield.
Before we begin lets get some knowledge on what you will be looking at.
Light Brown : Pot Outline
Green thick Lines : Main Stem
Small Thin Lines with Green Balls on top : Fan leafs
Yellow Lines : Side Branches
Red : Tiedown Metal Hooks (or thread whichever item you use, i use Hooks its easier)
The Text in the box : First digit is Step No. and Second Digit is Pot Size, below the numbers is the type of view your looking at (either from the SIDE or from the TOP)
Now that thats out of the way lets get it on..
Please note, you dont have to do it this way, its just the idea of how to do LST, this is the way i did it and you can see the end result of 4 weeks of growth this way in my signature picture where it says FIM/LST. Some may opt to use the eggcrate method where you utilize an eggcrate around the pot and tie it down to that with zipties instead of using string or hooks running from the pot itself... this way you can cover more square footage and maximize your yield even more.
Ok heres the STEPS PICTURE for you to follow along with.
http://i13.tinypic.com/2mm7f9u.jpg
STEP 1 : Grow your plant from Seed or Clone to 3 or 4 leaf sets, some use 5 but i always use 3 because after 3rd leaf set the main stem starts to harden and it will be harder to bend over your plant properly without breaking the main stem.
STEP 2 : Using a metal hook (i cut small sections of cloths hanger and bend a U shape at the end as a hook) bend over your plant with metal hook at the last internode (space between the last set of fanleafs and the next to last) and stick the metal hook into your dirt to hold down the stem.
STEP 3 : This is really not a step, just waiting time... Take note of how the top of the plant that was bent down will bend back upwards towards the light, this could take anywhere from 3 hours to 1 day. Under my 1000 Watt Metal Halide light it does it in under 3 hours.
STEP 4 : Veg and dont tie down until you have a new leaf set. You will notice Side branching has started already because good light is getting to the main stem areas next to each fanleaf stem intersection with the main stem.
STEP 5 : Depending on your starting pot size you may have to transplant. If you started out with a large pot, repeat step 2 over and over again holding the main stem down with hooks until you reach the end of the pot. In this illustration to save time and drawings, i started out with a small pot and it reached the end of the pot after the first tiedown. I repotted it into a 10 inch pot which will be my final pot size for this plant in order for me to continue the LST Bends around the inside edge of the pot.
STEP 6 : Now that your new leaf set has formed you have enough length in growth since the first bend(s) to allow you to start bending the stem horizontally around the inside edge of the pot. Use metal hooks again to keep this bend in place. Side branches should be coming along very nicely.
STEP 7 : Continue repeating steps 4 and 6, allowing the plant to grow and then keep tieing it down along the inside edge of pot using metal hooks (or whatever your using) Side branches should be forming and growing up towards the light.
STEP 8 : Continue to repeat step 7 until you are all the way around the pot... when you reach the point where your plant first met the edge of the plant Top the plant (cut off the very top of the plant ) and hold it down horizontally with a metal hook.... During all this time of repeating step 7 you should also be tieing down horizontally the new branches that have formed from the main stem as much as possible until you use up as much space as possible inside the pot as well , the outter branches growing over the outside edge of the pot you can hold down as well with string to keep those tops even with the inner branches.
STEP 9 : After you have used up all possible space inside the pot (or your eggcrate) its time to just let it flower.. This is a side view of how it will and should look by that time with all the side branches growing upwards towards the light.... these will all become Collas unlike a non LST plant will only have one colla.
During flowering and even before due to lack of light on the main stem fan leafs which is all the way to the bottom almost against the soil those fanleafs will die off anyways, i usually cut these off the main stem right after the branch has grown out in that area, keeps things neat down below where you will need good airflow during flowering.. so go ahead and take off any fanleafs coming off the main stem that is going around the inside edge of the pot.
Set your timer to 12/12 and watch it bloom 
There is no Step 10 in the picture but we all know what that is HARVEST!!!
I hope i shed some light on the method of LST and its benefits. |
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HOFF
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| Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 12:42 pm |
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| -spirc- wrote: | | yes its true a guy i know showed me his new plant a few weeks ago and it looked like nothing ive ever seen before, it was pretty much just a huge bud growing out of the soil i didnt know how he did it up until now |
1 would presume by putting rooted clones straight under a 12/12 light cycle...ive seen this many times indoors,and have even seen it occur with clones taken from outdoors quite late in season and then rooted outdoors and dug into the ground...
it can have many benefits,esp if growing outdoor where keeping well hidden is a must.sure harvests are alot smaller,but so are the clones ,and pretty much everything on it is bud and its only out there a 1/3rd of the time compared to 'normal' grows... |
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