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Destiny Church raises up founders' bank balances
20 June 2004
The Destiny Church has become a multimillion-dollar business, making founder Brian Tamaki and his wife Hannah rich. Tony Wall reports.
He collects a six-figure salary and lives in a million-dollar clifftop home. He has a new boat worth more than $100,000, drives an $80,000 Ford Explorer and got a $35,000 Harley Davidson for his birthday.
Televangelist Brian Tamaki is enjoying an affluent lifestyle while members of his Destiny Church some of whom are struggling to make ends meet give 10 per cent of their gross incomes to the church he founded six years ago.
Destiny, which has 20 branches nationwide, has become a multimillion-dollar business and Tamaki and his wife Hannah have got rich off its success.
The Auckland church alone, with a membership of 2000, is estimated to bring in $7 million a year in members' tithes, an Old Testament expression for donating 10 per cent of income to honour God.
But Tamaki is accused by former members and those who have attended his services of putting pressure on people to hand over their 10 per cent. They allege Tamaki preaches that people will go to hell if they don't tithe, and say Destiny staff phone members if they do not give regularly.
There is also concern that people on low incomes have been getting into financial strife by giving more than they can afford, and that there are constant calls for donations above the 10 per cent.
The Sunday Star-Times has obtained a "contract" which new Destiny members are asked to sign. It contains several pages explaining the need for tithes, including the statement: "Holding back our tithes is robbing God, actually stealing."
When this reporter attended a Destiny service this month there was a strong emphasis on money, with Brian and Hannah Tamaki repeatedly asking for cash for a building fund and 21 church officials going through the crowd collecting offerings.
The Tamakis deny they pressure people, but concede that tithing is encouraged.
"It's their choice in the end," said Hannah Tamaki. "The thing is people come here because they want to be here, they're not forced to come in."
Brian Tamaki said: "It (tithing) is up there with all the rest of the Biblical truths, I can only present that. People have to choose, it's not as though I go around with a gun or get on the phone and force people."
He believes the criticism comes from a handful of "disgruntled" former members. "It's a crazy stigma that you have around a church, it's around Hannah and I. People are not used to seeing someone like me who's got a bike, who has a nice house and just got a boat, who's actually good-looking, and is doing well with the church and is saying some things.
"People look at it and say there must be something fishy here, there must be something going on. Well there is something happening here that is very good."
Brian Tamaki said Destiny Church had turned around thousands of lives. Most of the money went back into the church, including its social programmes, pre-school, primary school and Destiny Television.
The church employs 26 people full-time in Auckland. It owns $1.3m worth of television equipment and is about to buy the $2.25m warehouse in Mt Wellington that serves as church headquarters.
Brian and Hannah Tamaki are contracted to Destiny International Trust and draw salaries believed to be in the six-figure range, although they will not give an exact amount. Tamaki says his salary is on par with chief executives of a "reasonable sized" firm.
"It's not as much as Paul Holmes . . . I'm not getting what the Telecom CEO gets, a million dollars. I'd say our salary is equal to the responsibility I carry for this church and the 20 churches in the nation."
The couple say they give up to 50 per cent of their income back to the church.
Tamaki has set up a structure that gives him control over the 20 Destiny churches.
Each church is run by a charitable trust and each trust deed has a clause giving Tamaki "absolute power of veto over any decision made by the trust board".
Under new legislation being considered by a parliamentary select committee, Destiny and other trusts would have to register with a Charities Commission to gain tax exemption. Trusts would also have to provide details of their incomes in a bid for greater transparency and accountability for charities.
Tamaki says each Destiny church is financially independent.
Explaining the reason for his veto power, he said: "It's just to safeguard those churches. Each of them carries the Destiny name. It's like McDonald's you're very astute about business stuff and the way they go with their finances.
"It helps protect the churches, keep them going in the right direction, and keep them financially accountable and squeaky clean."
Hannah Tamaki is considered the "brains" behind the Destiny business empire, but says she does not keep tabs on what the business is bringing in.
Asked if the $7m figure for the Auckland church was accurate, she said: "We've never ever once said to our finance people: 'What does the church make in a year?' because we don't accumulate the funds, and we spend up to $15,000 a week purely paying for Destiny Television.
"That (money) is not the motivating force. We have accounts and everything, we have other people that do it."
The couple are director-shareholders of three companies, including Tamaki Productions, which produces and sells Tamaki's tapes and CDs. Asked how much he made from merchandise, Tamaki said: "To be honest I don't know. I know what's made there actually pays the two people to run it, there's no profit I'm not Ben Lummis." The Sunday Star-Times has spoken to the family of an elderly woman still involved with a Destiny Church who became upset over a phone call asking why her tithe was fluctuating. It was because her income varied from week to week.
Tamaki denies this, and says staff are not under instructions to make such calls.
Asked if his sermons on tithes could be perceived as pressure to give money, Tamaki said: "You take it as you like, I preach and teach it and our teaching is very clear: that listen, if you want to honour God this (tithing) is part of it."
He said records of people's tithes were kept only for tax purposes. "Brian and I have never looked at who gives and who doesn't give," said Hannah Tamaki.
Cultwatch, a small cross-denominational group that monitors Christian organisations, says it has "grave reservations" about Destiny's methods and has been investigating the movement for about a year.
Director Mark Vrankovich said he had spoken to between 30 and 50 concerned former members and had begun placing newspaper ads for more to come forward.
Vrankovich said some of Destiny's techniques resembled those of direct marketing organisations such as Amway, and he was concerned vulnerable people were being manipulated. He said there was nothing in the New Testament that compelled people to give money, and he questioned Tamaki's income.
"Tamaki excuses his exorbitant income by implying he is a CEO. But he's not, he runs a small staff in a charitable trust, not a staff of thousands in a for-profit corporation."
Vrankovich said he had spoken to a Destiny leader who confirmed that records were kept of members' tithes to ensure they met their targets.
John Roxborogh, head of parish leadership training at the Presbyterian School of Ministry in Dunedin, said the biggest problem with tithing was how to apply Old Testament teachings to modern times. With most churches, tithing was never compulsory. "It's a very private thing." He said some church-goers, particularly in the Pacific Island community, had traditionally given a lot of money to the church. "I know ministers who have told people they should be giving less."
Roxborogh said mainstream churches were wary of manipulating people, "especially when they're vulnerable". He said no one should feel forced to give money to the church. "The message that Jesus loves you doesn't come with a price tag it's free."
Tamaki earns several times the salary of most New Zealand pastors, and freely admits his wealth is at odds with the traditional image of a pastor living frugally.
A former member of the Assemblies of God national executive, who asked not to be named, said the executive issued guidelines on pastor salaries based mainly on years of experience and comparisons to salaries of social workers and teachers.
He said a senior pastor in Auckland with a congregation of 200 people would earn between $40,000 and $50,000.
Tamaki said there was nothing wrong with being a successful pastor and businessman and he was not ashamed of his wealth.
"We came here (to Auckland) with nothing and we've done pretty well over the years."
He said Destiny was doing a lot of good work in the community, including a programme in high schools and initiatives with the police and fire service.
He said reporters only seemed interested in the negative. "They go straight to the money (issue) and two or three disgruntleds. They forget about the transformed ex-murderer, the number of people who have been off drugs for years, the happy marriages, kids now that are better, the people with better jobs, this has got to be better for the economy all over." _________________ God was my copilot but we crashed in the mountains and I had to eat him
Joined: Oct 12, 2003 Posts: 387 Location: Otepoti, Te Wai Pounamu
Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 8:23 pm
Yeah man, haven't you heard that God is strapped for cash? I heard he had to cut back on the number of beautiful mermaid servants he had fanning him so that he could afford to pay the bills to keep his fluffy clouds puffed up! Oh and that last beard manicure was apparently extra pricey, what with the added perm and colouring. And when I went round to his house the other day we were tokin down a bowl and he was ranting on about how the weed prices in heaven were getting just ridiculous. Hes using it medicinally these days. I asked him if he'd ever used psychedelics or weed in a spiritual context..."Spiritual? Hah! Fuck spiritual...just give me some cash"
Joined: Jun 19, 2004 Posts: 98 Location: Wellington NZ
Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2004 11:53 am
And you know what the christian right wing usually does when they get political footing?
Well...
ASIDE from invading Iraq, I mean.
Encourage harsher drug controls.
Personally I don't have a problem with relgion and all.
I just think it should be acknowledged as as much of a drug as weed is.
I mean, relgion CAN, in extreme cases cause paranoia, violence and hallucinations.
Sure, this isn't the typical response... but its the bad eggs that really go around an PISS US OFF.
Its a crazy world.
I find it hard to believe in religions when the people running the churchs and people in high positions are molestering children and frauding people of their money.
Noone seems trust worthy anymore!? (I guess noone really has been, i've just been blind)
Police abusing their powers and beating and treating people unfairly. US president is a sham. I heard recently on the news that a well known golf coach has been molestering children too..
Alot of unjustices going on
Joined: Aug 20, 2003 Posts: 53 Location: New Zealand
Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2004 12:49 pm
This guy Tamaki is a con man who gives all religeons a bad name. He's obviously in it for the dosh, it worked for a lot of scamsters in USA why not try the same methods here, right?
I recently met a Christian guy who had for some reason had to go along to the Destiny church HQ with a couple of others to do some short term work of some kind. He said Tamaki was there and was quite rude, completely ignored these suckers giving their time for free, didn't even say 'hello' or 'thanks' at the end of the day... this Christian guy was very UNimpressed with him.
I am a member of Destiny Church Wellington. I have seen many peoples lifes changed for the better during the 9 month since Destiny Wellington started. I went along to see if the 'stories' about Destiny Church were true. I found a fantastic Church, that love God and God's ways and actually live by them!
If you want to make a judgement on Destiny Church, I suggest that you actually visit one first. Destiny Church wants the best for society. They are not afraid to stand up for what is right. They don't sit on the fence, afraid they might offend, instead they speak out and work towards making changes for the better. I respect that.
I am highly greatful of Destiny Church. I love being a part of it. We pray for all of New Zealand, which means we actually pray of you!
It's amazing how many talk/comment about how negative 'Destiny Church' is, when they actually haven't been there or know Pastor Brian, nobody's holding a gun to the "people's head" that attend, we all have a choice and that's one of the great things about God, he gave us the ability to choose.
Joined: Jun 19, 2004 Posts: 98 Location: Wellington NZ
Chose your Destiny..... ( MORTAL KOMBAT!! ) Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2004 3:43 am
Personally I don't -really- have anything against Destiny.
I see the programs and think...
"Well... they look kinda silly up there", and I resent the fact that relgious programs are on -multiple- channels at once, and so often...
But.. um.
If you wanna be an organised christian... more power to you.
But many people have had bad experiences with organised religion, including me.
The Christian right is most likely an influential factor in stopping me being able to get my weed legally, and thats a side effect of it too.
And people are falliable. Its not just conceivable some people may be exploiting members of Destiny to make money for themselves, its a possibility.
But no... Its also possible theres nothing wrong with Destiny itself, and I grant you that.
Its better than the american evangelists you can see on sky.
But the musicians and people 'rocking out' still look daft _________________ I'll add a better signature when I think of one.
Small point about the bible here for those who are avid readers...
Don't forget that the bible is simply a man's interpretation of the word of God... We also know that man is an imperfect creature. Is it wise to place so much reliance on a single document?
Are far as I am concerned there is only one commandment that one must consider - it makes everything else redundant, if one is to live by this creed. Love the Neighbour.
Quite simply if you do unto others as you would have them do unto you, then everything else becomes irrelevant. God (whatever that may be - another issue I have with religion is assuming God has human like qualities - hardly something I'd expect from an Omnipotent being - an entity so vast as to be unexplainable by mere humans) knows what's in your heart. If you live by this simple Mantra then you will have no problems come judgement day - I'm prepared to meet my maker when I do because my heart is open. I don't need a Brian Tamaki preaching hellfire and brimstone to tell me what is right or make me closer to God...
As I have said previously - beware the false prophet... I wonder how Mr Tamaki will get on come judgement day - I would assume God looks rather unfavourably that seek to make financial profit from doing God's work....
The realist mentioned 'love the (your) neighbour as you love yourself.' This is very true. Unfortunately some people do don't actually love themselves. They treat themselves badly and as a result they sometimes struggle to treat others with love.
One of the many great things about the Bible is that it encourages us to and shows us why we should love yourselves and others. The Beatitudes in Matthew chapter 5, verses 1-7 and in Luke 6:20-23 in the Bible, in particular guide us in this. But the whole Bible is an amazing book. If you can get your hands on a Bible (one in modern English) then dust it off and take a look.
For many of us we have been brought up in 'dead' churches which have left us with the perception that God is a thing of the past and that church is for old people who are at deaths door. But God doesn't change- He is the same today as he always has been.
To all of you, who may have this perception of church and of God, find a new church. There are many churches out there that are relevant to our lifes today and are packed full of young people who love God.
According to the people God created man in his own image (Genesis 1:27 - if you want to take a look). Unfortunately man fell into sin (Gen 3). So the 'realist' is right in saying that man is an imperfect creature. And there is all the more reason why we need a personal relationship with the son of God - Jesus. He came into the earth both God and man and died a horrifying death for the forgiveness of sins. So our price as been paid, it is up to each of us with our God given free will, to choose to accept this.
The Bible 'a single document' is actually 66 books. The realist seems to believe in God which is awesome, but has the realist thought that if God created the world is it not possible that He would supply us with the Word of God (the Bible) and be powerful enough to keep it pure and true? I believe so. I am pleased to read that the realist also comments on judgement day - which we learn about from the Bible.
Joined: Feb 19, 2004 Posts: 1374 Location: Nelson area
Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2004 11:16 am
As the great Frank Zappa wrote "If God made man in his own image, and man is dumb, and a little ugly on the side. Then God must be dumb and a little ugly on the side"
Also I have no issues with people wanting to fill a void in their lives with organised religion. But if "Disintry Church" is so against legalisation of cannabis, why do we have members/supporters of their religion trolling through these post?
Roarrrrrrrrrr
Steveoh
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