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thewizardofworldsend
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 medical cannabis Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 7:22 am |
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 Just read "Jims" reply  this fruit makes no valid point if you look at the accident rate in the forestry industry under the present legal enviroment.
his comments are without support when you look at the clinical studies.
the guy has his own agenda and it has nothing to do with yours or my welfare nor justice. 
by now 
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XLH
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| Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 10:24 pm |
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my old partner worked in forestry and logging for 15 years in both the general work and then forestry research institute driving a skidder for them. The mid north island guys i ever knew who worked in forestry lived and worked hard. many of them both drink and smoke, and guess what ? cannabis is just about everywhere alcohol is there, JUST LIKE EVERYWHERE ELSE IN NZ !!
shock horror, NOT.
i think Jim Anderton is being deliberately full of shite about it. Logging and forestry is one of the most dangerous occupations and those guys work in 'gangs' and rely on each other for safety. These things soon get sorted out.
i bet there is no bigger pot or alcohol problem there than anywhere else in NZ. i am sure the higher injury rate just reflects the dangerous occupation |
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thewizardofworldsend
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| MOD Medical Cannabis Ammendment Bill Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 7:58 pm |
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hi XLH
what can i say but your right on. may have gone mad and become a cop, for awhile .i started my working life in the bush and mills of Nelson and Taupo.
now i just grow me vegies and 'erbs
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smokeymcpott
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Location: lonely old chch
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| fg Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 6:04 pm |
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i dont understand nz laws... how can they have alchol an tabbaco an party pills all to buy at stores... but yet such hardarse laws on weed its like they dont even want to consider that the "old" laws may not have been thought threw enough restricting the drugs is just causing more crime.how can our frekin mp's not see this im sure almost all of nz has smoked a big fat jay an enjoyed it.Another thing that pisses me off is the people who are all talk. they regular smokers but yet they vote labour an national every year... i mean cmon so many annying ppl out there >.< i can understand things like Ectasy an speed being ilegal but weed just doesnt seem as serious i think they need to put out a serious petition on this sending it to everyone who can vote.I mean if it was legal i reckon they could sell it an vapourizers to the public an use the money to better explain the use of drugs an whats acceptable an not acceptable ARGH
i hope this bill passes an is just a series of more to come  |
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mfinest
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| When the Medical Cannabis bill gets to comittee the Pharmacutical companies will come along and say. We have Sativex..so don't allow users to grow thier own cause we can supply our product and keep prohibition going at the same time. the politicians will use that excuse to cop out of letting sufferers grow thier own and keep the status qou. Thats what I've been picking up from the replies fom Jim Anderton to our letters. They will allow Sativex or something similar but no self medication. |
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MrNiceGuyNZ
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| Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 1:37 pm |
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Jim Anderton will send you a document that says this:
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I am responding to your message concerning the medicinal use of marijuana.
As you may be aware we in the Progressive Party have no problem with the therapeutic use of any substance which relieves suffering and distress. But notwithstanding that we will not be voting for the current Private Members’ Bill decriminalising its use. This is because it is a part of our policy to endorse therapeutic use of any substance or treatment only if it is developed or manufactured to a consistent standard and is prescribed under the supervised use of a medical practitioner.
We permit the medicinal use of many substances now which are prohibited for other purposes. The classic instance is opiates. For very good safety and abuse reasons people are not permitted to grow and process their own opium poppies and marijuana is no different to that.
There is provision now for the use on application of marijuana for medicinal purposes under the Medicines Act, and we are aware of some promising research being undertaken in this area, but so far no application has been made. If or when it is it will be treated the same as any other such application.
Yours sincerely
Jim Anderton |
I have been informed that 20 odd people have applied for this using formal channels and all have been rejected.
Anything Jim Anderton says is hardly beleivable, his motives are to keep even medical users suffering, we need a change now, we need the control of medicinal cannabis to be taken out of the hands of this politician and put into medical hands where it belongs.
Sure they will be trying to push Sativex as the solution, problem is that Sativex will cost about $150 a week to use unless Pharmac come to the party too, but I doubt this.
The only true solution to keep cost down is allowing medicinal users the right to grow their own and use a vaporiser.
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Tony
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| Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 5:26 pm |
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I am told Bayer Corporation , the drug company that distributes Sativex for GW;s have already made approaches to the MOH and have commissoned lobbiests already..
I gather also they have put in place a marketing plan to capture as many potential cannabis medical prescribers as possible.. THEY ARE GETTING READY TO PROMOTE CANNABIS AS A CURE ALL .. but only when Jims has forced a change in wording to exclude raw leaf in the MOD amendment bill and it gets passed..
I gather we will start to see evidence of MP's who have been fence sitting starting to spout the Bayer guided propaganda ...
Also watch the media start to sing the praise of sativex ..as a medical substitute for cannabis .
The first press releases to start the ball rolling were due to be sent out this Friday ...
We are about see the great marketing machine take over..
And perhaps shades of Conrad Bollingers book ..GROGS OWN COUNTRY as well..
I would not normally have posted this stuff but I actually want them all to know they have a leak...And whatever they get up to we will know first...
As a good friend of mine once said over 30 yrs ago regards cannabis..
THE LAW CONCERNING POT MAY BE A JOKE BECAUSE OF THE NUMBERS OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE , DO , OR WOULD LIKE TO TURN ON .BUT ITS NOT VERY FUNNY
THE AMOUNT OF FEAR PROPAGATED BY POLITICIANS , NOURISHED BY PUBLIC IGNORANCE AND RESULTING IN REPRESSIVE LEGISLATION ..
he also said .
MARIJUANA IS PROBABLY ILLEGLE ONLY BECAUSE OF THE BREWERY INTERESTS. BESIDES THE POLITICAL POWER THEY HAVE, THE BREWERIES CAN ALWAYS BRIBE POLiTICIANS IF THERE IS ANY THREAT LIKE PROHIBITION OR MARIJUANA .
Now he is a politician himself...
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MrNiceGuyNZ
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| Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 11:38 pm |
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Ok if Sativex is to be our only option, then we have to ensure Pharmac comes to the party, without them subsidising this then Sativex will be too expensive for the majority of those that need it.
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Tony
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| Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 7:58 am |
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| MrNiceGuyNZ wrote: | | Ok if Sativex is to be our only option, then we have to ensure Pharmac comes to the party, without them subsidising this then Sativex will be too expensive for the majority of those that need it. |
Hmm having had the oppitunity to try Sativex I am not sure it is the end all and be all.
It will have its place and used in conjunction with raw leaf it would be great ..
I personally will not accept a restriction to sativex alone...
I understand that Pharmac WILL NOT EVEN CONSIDER it as a subsidised medicine until it has been well and truely trialed in NZ first and that will take at least six years .
It may be able to get it by special request from a specialist but even that looks shaky .
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MrNiceGuyNZ
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Do all medications that come through Pharmac require going through a 6 year trial?
Raw leaf would be my preferred option too, don't get me wrong. I know it is effective in reducing my pain levels. Something synthetic or clinical such as Sativex brings doubt to my mind as to its effectiveness.
Is there any way joe public can fight against these commissioned lobbiests that Bayer has hired ?
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paula
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We could by trying to expose it carefully  or would Tony prefer to keep his leak in these forums? 
MPs will probably be hearing from both brewery and pharma interests about this Bill.
| Quote: | | Is there any way joe public can fight against these commissioned lobbiests that Bayer has hired ? |
Of course any other practical suggestions welcome ... we are doing a demo next weekend outside the Nat AGM in Chch Convention Centre Kilmore St (opp Town Hall) 4-5:30pm all welcome . . |
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Tony
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| Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 4:16 pm |
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| paula wrote: | We could by trying to expose it carefully or would Tony prefer to keep his leak in these forums?
MPs will probably be hearing from both brewery and pharma interests about this Bill.
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Gosh paula I had hoped to keep it confined to the forum but it seems others must read it as well (grin) never considered that (..bigger grin)
let the lobbing begin .
Must read Conrad Bollingers book ..GROGS OWN COUNTRY again to remind me how its done...
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MrNiceGuyNZ
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TheGoodGuy
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| Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 11:21 am |
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| mfinest wrote: | | I wrote an email to Jim Anderton today. he's not my MP but I thought the more of us who send him positive Cannabis reform emails and put our names down on them the better. I'm awaiting his reply and will post it when or if I get a reply. I copied the text from above and added a bit of my own. I also wrote to my local MP Paul Swain to support the bill. |
Andertons secretarys reply to my leltter says they will not support grow your own.
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MrNiceGuyNZ
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| Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 8:01 pm |
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| TheGoodGuy wrote: | | mfinest wrote: | | I wrote an email to Jim Anderton today. he's not my MP but I thought the more of us who send him positive Cannabis reform emails and put our names down on them the better. I'm awaiting his reply and will post it when or if I get a reply. I copied the text from above and added a bit of my own. I also wrote to my local MP Paul Swain to support the bill. |
Andertons secretarys reply to my leltter says they will not support grow your own. |
Our government is looking at the clinical type approaches to cannabis, in the form of Sativex, the problem with this scenario is that Sativex will be available at around $150 a week. Pharmac would require a 6 year trial of the stuff before possible subsidies.
This leaves us poor sick people having to continue using the black market to obtain raw cannabis leaf.
Apparently Sativex doesn't taste very nice either.
Raw cannabis leaf combined with a vaporiser would mean no carcinogenic material entering the lungs, but with the narrow minded veiw of politicians, they want something that comes in a standard type dosage that can be controlled.
As a daily cannabis user, I don't exactly see measuring dosage for oneself exactly rocket science, generally if its a low pain day a peice of skunk the size of a hearing aid battery is adequate. The amount is adjusted to suit pain levels.
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