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28 years of use and abuse Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 10:14 pm
iv used and abused pot for maybe more than 28 years mainly on ocasionly off.
kids should not smoke pot as i beleave from my experiances that constant use halts mental development, they need to give their minds and personalitys grow and mature.
even an adult heavy user should take a break now and then, and they will notice changes with in them selves and be better for it.
a heavy user should not just give up cold turky but cut use in half each day untill the tiny spots not worth smoking , as psycological dependance on pot can damage the mind and spirit if suddenly cut off from pot.
the kids most atracted to pot and pot culter are the ones with the least real good fun life experiances and love, when young to train their brains to produce all the happy chemicals they will need.
with training and positive experiance the most damaged child can over take their pears in learning and ability if given a chance.
our government knows this yet dose nothing as thease kids once acting out as adults and being atracted to drugs are what supply the system with most of its power.
i just want to tell any young person reading this not to fall in to the trap.
if your attracted to drugs you need to find other ways to fullfill your needs or they will use you badly.
pot will help with self medicating the empty hole in side you, but will limit your development, and you have so much potental so should explore it and grow befor you burn all the bridges and shut all the doors to sit back and get stoned for the next 20 years.
every one is diferent , some should never smoke pot , some should often but all should know why and what they are doing not just blindly aultering their mental states with no perpose.
Joined: Dec 01, 2003 Posts: 3083 Location: Christchurch, NZ
Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 11:31 pm
In the interest of free speech I'll leave this post up and add:
Heavy use when you're young means you run the risk of turning into charmnsharman - who appears to be an advertisement for 'how not to spend your schooldays' - but some points he makes have merit.
I would like to add that pot is not toxic like many prescription drugs, but it is best treated as a tool, not as a crutch. Use it wisely and for the right reasons. Plenty of those posting on this site have used pot for many years without anything terrible happening, except being busted.
So the most dangerous thing about using pot is you can be arrested for possessing it. It is well proven that coming onto contact with the police and the injustice system can stunt your emotional/mental health and get you a criminal record.
Please don't mix pot with alcohol if you are intending to drive. In many young people it just compounds the somewhat stoopid ideas you can have when drinking. And in a few older people too
paula in denile :) Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 11:33 pm
every thing i said had merit.
iv seen and heard of many couples who have maintained a stable relationship for years then they get a couple of lights and start to abuse to much wicked scunkys only to have their relationship go down the toilet.
we live in a largly uncontroled comsumer mentality society were emotianal needs are met with products and no one is imune to their manipulations.
there is no safe suppervision or education on how to use pot or any other drug as a tool .
to suggest that youth have the emotional tools maturity and control to do so is down right irisponsable.
in new zealand sociaty we abuse sex alcahol , food and every other consumer product and paula thinks a few words of wisdom from her are enough to stop youth from adding pot to the list.
free choise has never been proven to exist , and all the latest studdys on behavior and brain function are realy starting to show that cause and effect is just as relivant in psycoligy as any other science.
we live in a determanistic universe and chaos theory is just the dream of some one who cant admit they havent got all the answers.
youth have enough to deal with with out adding the complictions of pot to make them selves black sheep to be used as scape goats.
i knew a girl brought up in the elim church who when she rejected her mothers religion for pot culter started to have problems with demonic attacks and even manifested giant hand marks on her body in a form of stigmata.
may be she would have become psycotic with out pot may be not, as the resone for the psycosis was her child hood and the pot was posably just a catilist.
every one has subconsios constructs and many are compleat rubbish, just look at the suicide rates amoung roman chatholics.
you may get away with it may be not but if you do you cant suggest your experiances are relivant for every one, as every mind is diferent has diferent experiances and reactions.
the less love and more abuse and lies an indervidual has suffered the less they should mess with drugs with out real educated supivision and education.
iv studyed psycoligy, brain and nerve function, philosiphy, theoligy, meta phisics, chemistry, socioligy and growing dope to a pretty high level as im an autodidactic obsesive freak so have the science to back up my bullshit.
pot is good pot is fine but in this sociaty it just fucks your mind, and life when the bulls kick your door in.
mind you if we get enough kids fucked up on drugs and acting out to upset the balance that helen benifits from so much, they may be forced to do some thing real about it as they did 30 years ago in porirua and give the kids a taist of real life with lots of organised positive experiances.
Joined: Dec 01, 2003 Posts: 3083 Location: Christchurch, NZ
Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 1:16 am
Like I said, free speech . . . though it sure looks like its "charmnsharman's way or the highway"
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iv studyed psycoligy, brain and nerve function, philosiphy, theoligy, meta phisics, chemistry, socioligy and growing dope to a pretty high level as im an autodidactic obsesive freak so have the science to back up my bullshit.
A self-taught obsessive freak ! No essays for you then
You are no doubt aware that here at NORMLNZ we support an evidence-based drug policy because blanket pot prohibition is not working now and never will work. On the other hand you support grossly overstating the harms of pot as well as pushing kids at the black market, and if you are that misguided it will be a hard job engaging with you.
As I'm a bit too busy I won't, someone else can have the headache, or not.
So adieu !
And no more fatuous terrorist comments thanks, or we'll revisit the 'free speech' -
http://www.norml.org.nz/postx4788-0-0.html charmnsharmn wrote: time some one flew focker freindship in to the behive. . . fuck u all you dumb brain wasted mother fuckers! http://www.norml.org.nz/posts5870-15.html charmnsharmn wrote: pity dope smokers are so unmotervated as this would be a good place to start a teriorist cell
Last edited by paula on Fri Nov 21, 2008 7:17 pm, edited 1 time in total
i do not grossly overstate the harmfull effects of pot.
i state what i have seen and experianced.
you should try marking one of Einstiens essays his writing and spelling was worse than mine.
may be you shouldent as trying to dismiss that great man for his spelling would show you up badly.
it is normal for most to agresivly stand by the lies they have lived with all their lives, and no one wants to admit to being damaged and self medicating with pot.
Enstien said it was his beleaf in the non existance of free will that allowed him to stomic what we do to one another. (not an exact quote)
all drug adiction or even just use is linked to the personality and we are all adicted to our personalitys.
have a look at the "what the bleep do we know" vids on you tube, couldnt find the one i was looking for but many of them are relivant.
if paula should read my post again puting aside for the moment her own prejudice against any one who would apear to be attacking her freind the weed she may realise i am not attacking the weed but the motervations and mentality of many who use it.
its a powerfull being of a plant and should be treated with caution and respect.
any respect is very short round here obviosly should ones science conflict with delusional blazay attitudes towards drug use.
im allways open to healthy debate on any subject, but paulas atempt at insulting me with her arogant dismisal goes along way towards proveing much if what i have writen , bad spelling and all
her smoking of weed fullfills an emotional need for her just as it dose for me and if we were well adjusted emotionly balanced people we would have little use for pot.
when people keep going back to pot it is not a choise but a need.
mmm i can smell the coffie.
Joined: Aug 20, 2006 Posts: 958 Location: h=6.626x10‾34 Mood: sisyphustic
Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 12:09 pm
Free Will... isn't that a movie about a whale...
Of course the message is important, but so is the medium.
And Einstein's grammar and spelling in his native tongue, german, was perfect. _________________ IF 25 YEARS OF SMOKING DOPE HAS ADDLED MY BRAIN, I MUST HAVE BEEN AN INTELLECTUAL GIANT IN MY YOUTH ~Tim Shadbolt
Joined: Aug 24, 2008 Posts: 16 Location: home is where ur happy
Einstein also said.. Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 1:57 pm
"Look deep, deep into nature, and then you will understand everything better".
clearly, cannabis wasnt a good thing for you.. and possibly for other people you know who have succumbed to substance abuse.. but you can hardly go around claiming its bad for everyone because of what you have personally witnessed.
There are no good or bad drugs, just good or bad relationships with them.
Joined: Mar 01, 2005 Posts: 12 Location: Christchurch
Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 12:54 am
I can just make out the spelling, but not your reasoning. What you have said here just isn't that not clear, sorry. But I'll try:
I don't think whether or not "we live in a deterministic universe" or freewill exists has anything to do with whether someone should use mind altering substances.. You're using a huge philosophical concept which is definitely not even remotely proved to argue with something only loosely related (implied or otherwise).
For all your standing in scientific fact, most of your posts are either vague assumptions or some weird inference. Your general warning is fair and I'm sure you originally posted with good intentions, but your facts are all over the place.
This begs an obvious question - if you believe we live in a deterministic universe, why would you bother putting out a warning designed to effect the choices of others?
And as Greebo said, the idea of a deterministic universe has definately not been proven. This is because the only way to definitively prove whether free will does or does not exist would be to perform an experiment involving choice; and then re-start the universe, run it up to the point of the experiment, and then see if anybody makes a different choice.
Obviously, large hadron colliders excluded, we aren't going to be stop-starting the universe anytime soon.
But yeah, I agree that letting young teens loose with any mind-altering substance without a guide is usually a bad idea.
Lets not argue about topics that have no real answer. I could just get bored and copy and paste a few of my old (and flawed) essays to stir things up..
I agree too many teens are on pot without knowing the facts. Hell, I didn't know the facts when I was a kid and smoking it. I still think it was better for me than going out and getting drunk off my face though.
It's all about dosage. I just wish they taught that at school (before I drunk all that bourbon)
Joined: Nov 20, 2008 Posts: 5 Location: New Zealand
Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 9:47 pm
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In the interest of free speech I'll leave this post up and add:
How about leaving the post up because it is a man's opinion and allow people to contribute to it and make up their own minds! We know what NORML stands for, that's why we're using the site. Yes, we want evidence - based drug policy but I have to say that it sometimes doesn't feel like you're getting the whole picture in relation to evidence - based research with NORML. I am not that familiar with the breadth of cannabis research though so I cannot back this up, it is just my opinion. I just don't see why the moderator even had to make a comment here - it treated us as idiots, was unnecessary and comparable to religious conversion/brainwashing.
However, subjective experience, I believe, backs up what charmnsharman is saying - essentially that pot is a powerful plant, it needs to be respected and that the psychology of a sizable portion of smokers, myself not withstanding, leads them to abuse it (i.e. detract from their full life potential - to themselves and their community). Don't get me wrong, I love pot (as that feels like the main issue here - oh god no, not open, honest debate!) but i do recognise it's potential for dependence and the negative effect heavy use can have on the brain. charmnsharman is right, with kids and adults, it is their psychology that does as much damage to them as the smoke does. I think this is what charmnsharman means by a deterministic world Rolls. We can still make free choices but how free these are is determined by our psychology, our background. Yes paula, use it as a tool, not a crutch, but the simple fact is that not everybody stays on the right side of this balance and that's what we're trying to discuss here. I think. Right charmnsharman?
People, this isn't an academic essay, it's a forum, so to criticize spelling is, i'm afraid, pathetic. And paula, to mock a man for his education, whether self - taught or university is probably even lower. The thread of charmnsharman's ideas is kinda all over the place (no offense) but there are a lot of very good and very interesting points within there if you'll be open and honest enough with yourself and not look on any critique as an attack on sensible drug policy. It isn't that. As Dr. Timothy Leary taught us, it's called thinking for yourselves.
Oh the delicious irony!
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What you have said here just isn't that not clear, sorry.
SpaceMaggot - i think you've kinda got it,
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There are no good or bad drugs, just good or bad relationships with them.
Joined: Dec 01, 2003 Posts: 3083 Location: Christchurch, NZ
Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 10:32 am
We've all got our own quirks here. As a busy person, being able to read something thats clearly written, in order to grasp the writer's ideas quickly, is such a valuable thing I just can't get over it easily [ Virgo alert ]
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sometimes doesn't feel like you're getting the whole picture in relation to evidence - based research with NORML.
What do you mean ? Please explain. We try to keep up with finding and posting all the reliable positive evidence that shows a dimension other than the prohibitionist literature, and its here all over the forums. Noone is saying pot is harmless, just that the harms are overstated, sometimes grossly and dishonestly, and the law clearly isn't working. Were you expecting us to parrot all the prohibitionist garbage too ? There is some here, if you look.
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I just don't see why the moderator even had to make a comment here - it treated us as idiots, was unnecessary and comparable to religious conversion/brainwashing.
No it wasn't, it was in relation to discussions we'd been having earlier, so kinda out of context for a new reader. Thanks for pointing it out.
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And paula, to mock a man for his education, whether self-taught or university is probably even lower.
I'm a practical person. I don't think he came here for a debate in the first place. It was just a rant from an aggressive person with obvious issues, and we're not psychiatrists. And he posted it in the 'schools' forum, not the 'using' or 'about marijuana' or 'pot culture' forums. To to me that demonstrated it was purely a propaganda/agenda post. They arrive here on a fairly regular basis.
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Oh the delicious irony!
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What you have said here just isn't that not clear, sorry.
LOL
I'm glad you found what you were looking for on the site, Blair will be pleased to hear from you.
oh gollywollywillygosh, i've totally missed this thread before, another weird one. who says moderators can't delete posts ? but i wouldn't delete this, it wants to be hung out to dry, like those fundy christian burning bush types i vaguely remember were left up couple of years back ....
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Free Will... isn't that a movie about a whale...
And Einstein's grammar and spelling in his native tongue, german, was perfect.
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