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Employment Drug Testing Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 9:56 pm
Hey everyone - been reading this website for ages but never joined or posted on here....
I'm going for a job and recently found out I have to do a Urine test. It's been at least 7 days since I last smoked, and I wasn't smoking every day, just a couple of nights per week. I'm worried that 7 days isn't long enough to get the traces out, and I've read all the advice on drinking as much diuretics as possible which I've been doing, but was wondering what the general opinion is on products you can buy that allegedly give you 5 hours of clear-piss. Has anybody ever used them and know if they work? I want to take them for back up, as I really want the job!!
Joined: Dec 01, 2003 Posts: 3083 Location: Christchurch, NZ
Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 10:08 pm
Have a look at chris' post about different tests on this page http://www.norml.org.nz/posts4878-45.html You do not know what sort of testing they use, and if you can't find out then drink nothing but water until the test, and avoid fatty foods or anything that will make your liver too busy
Hey Paula, thanks for that, the article is pretty helpful.
I have a feeling it'll be EMIT but I don't know for sure. All I know is that they send you to the "work doctor" which I assume is off-site. I'm hoping this won't be on the day of the Interview, if so I have prepared many excuses to delay it until the following week.
Have a look at chris' post about different tests on this page http://www.norml.org.nz/posts4878-45.html You do not know what sort of testing they use, and if you can't find out then drink nothing but water until the test, and avoid fatty foods or anything that will make your liver too busy
Hey again!
Well I did the test on tuesday afternoon. Got a call this arvo, it came back 'diluted'!!! My employer said I have to do it again, but it says in my contract if i return 2 diluted tests then the offer of employment is automatically withdrawn! Crazy!
I did drink quite a bit of water that morning and before the test, but only because that's what all the advice said! I thought I would have enough color/creatin for it to appear 'normal' but I guess I took the pills too late and it wasn't in my body properly.
Anyway, I gotta go tomorrow and do it again. I'm not gonna bother with any pills this time, just gonna do it natural. It'll be 30 days exactly since I smoked - fingers crossed!
Joined: Dec 01, 2003 Posts: 3083 Location: Christchurch, NZ
Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 9:02 pm
Darn it, am very sorry to hear you have to do the test again Nick. Maybe you overdid the water and that may have been my doing but if its 30 days without a toke by the time you do the test again you should be fine. Cheers, p.
It came back clean! Sooooo relieved - I was pretty sure it would, but had that horrible doubt in the back of my mind all day waiting for the phonecall!
Oh well, wish me luck, tomorrow is my first dat @ new job. Thanks for your help with this
Joined: Dec 01, 2003 Posts: 3083 Location: Christchurch, NZ
Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 12:03 am
Was just reading this and was wondering when/if this hair testing is ever going to be used here. You'd think by now there would be some salesman hawking it around to people like drug treatment providers. Maybe its expensive, or its regarded as just too intrusive. What a can of worms it would open :
"There are two main types of drug tests, involving urine and hair . . . Evidence of drugs hangs around much longer in hair."
DRUG-TESTING should be introduced throughout Scotland's workplaces and universities, a senior police officer has suggested.
Chief Superintendent Valerie McHoull yesterday said the move would help to win the "war against drugs". The Lothian and Borders officer indicated that mandatory testing of public-sector workers would have "a significant impact on the culture and use of drugs".
Speaking yesterday to a conference of the Association of Scottish Police Superintendents, of which she is president, Ms McHoull suggested voluntary drug-testing schemes should be also carried out in private companies, universities and sports clubs. The call follows a recent signal by senior police officers in Scotland to introduce drug-testing. Ms McHoull urged Kenny MacAskill, the justice secretary, to consider "progressing" drug-testing "across the whole public sector".
She continued: "Testing across the public sector would have a significant impact on the culture and use of drugs and could even be extended to the private sector, which might be encouraged to adopt a voluntary code.
"If all organisations, both public and private, including ultimately universities and sports clubs, introduced testing, then perhaps we could make more of an impact in the war against drugs from the demand end rather than the supply. Had the private sector had mandatory, or even possibly optional, drug-testing a decade ago, then the proliferation of cocaine use amongst young professionals might have been averted."
She added: "It would take courage and I am in no doubt that there would be a strong civil-liberties argument against it, but Scotland had the courage to ban smoking in public places for the sake of the nation's health. If Scotland is to truly say no to drugs, then this measure might be a reasonable step to take."
But Matt Smith, the Scottish secretary of the public-sector union Unison, said drug-testing was too expensive and ineffective. "I think Ms McHoull is mixing up the role of law enforcement and the role of employers. All those who have looked at this issue have concluded that mandatory drug-testing is not appropriate in the workplace.
"It is unreliable … the tests only confirm that use has taken place in the past, not whether a person's ability to do the job is affected at the time."
A Scottish Government spokesman said: "While we respect the argument, we are not convinced that mandatory drug-testing for all public-sector workers is a priority.
"Where drug-use is suspected, there are disciplinary procedures and policies already in place to deal with it."
BACKGROUND
FEW organisations in Scotland test their staff for illegal drugs. Those that do usually involve jobs in which safety is a major issue – for example, at nuclear power plants or on North Sea oilrigs.
However, drug-testing is being introduced in the Scottish police, and there have been sporadic calls for testing in schools.
There are two main types of drug tests, involving urine and hair. Cannabis can be detected in urine several weeks after being consumed, while others such as amphetamine and cocaine remain only for a few days. Evidence of drugs hangs around much longer in hair.
The legal position for drug testing is complicated. Employers have a justifiable interest in employees' drug use in certain circumstances.
But the principles behind the current measures also state that employees are entitled to a private life and to dignity.
It seems the new generation hair follicle tests are somewhat different to the one currently in use.
It can identify levels and the metabolites of just about every chemical known over a considerable period.
It seems its anticipated arrival is one of the reason the Aussie road side drug testing and also that in NZ are on hold .. It makes the current tests redundant..
Just sick a hair in the machine , push a button and 3 minutes later a print out of every drug in ones system..and extremely accurate..
It is already in use in some Hospitals to check drug levels for treatment and is just being revamped for drug testing.
Just sick a hair in the machine , push a button and 3 minutes later a print out of every drug in ones system..and extremely accurate..
But wouldn't the hair follicle test still reveal the drugs that have been in one's system rather than the drugs that are currently in one's system?
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Drug-test every worker, says police chief
DRUG-TESTING should be introduced throughout Scotland's workplaces and universities, a senior police officer has suggested.
Chief Superintendent Valerie McHoull yesterday said the move would help to win the "war against drugs". The Lothian and Borders officer indicated that mandatory testing of public-sector workers would have "a significant impact on the culture and use of drugs"....
In order to win the "War against drugs", it looks like we have to lose the war against Fascism and tyrrany .
Just sick a hair in the machine , push a button and 3 minutes later a print out of every drug in ones system..and extremely accurate..
But wouldn't the hair follicle test still reveal the drugs that have been in one's system rather than the drugs that are currently in one's system?
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The reason I understand it is not yet on the scene is work is still being done on calibration levels to identify just what individual levels identify.
I had expected to hear a lot more about it by now. A neuropharmocologist researcher I got meet was part of a team doing work with it in Canada for a japanese company..
Joined: Dec 01, 2003 Posts: 3083 Location: Christchurch, NZ
Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 8:08 pm
I wonder how high the test will be calibrated for pot. At the drug driving submissions they seemed sure the latest technology would be used.
I was trying to emphasise that the individual policeperson's prejudice at the roadside will be the crucial thing, not just the test. They seemed to be agreeing that testing impairment was the goal, not the pot user but I couldn't get anything out of them about how they're going to direct the roadside cops.
It does seem in NZ they are watching and learning from the mistakes made with the Aussie attempts at road side testing.
The commercial interests ( any organization with its head in the trough ) created so many myths and misconceptions that did not fit with the coal face reality the whole thing has become a farce.
Its easy for the like of CANDOR , Jimbo and co to come out with facts , but its less easy to substantiate these so called facts when they fly in the face of real outcomes.
Wonder who will end up paying for all the saliva test kits , intended for the two dedicated drug buses , the ones that reverted to booze buses and had the main drug messages removed.Bet the company that sold them and the idea won't .It will just come out of the Police budget I guess ..
State officials blasted the public school teachers union yesterday for attempting to renege on its agreement to accept random drug testing.
The Hawaii State Teachers Association agreed to a new contract in June 2007 that included pay increases and random drug testing. After getting most of the pay increases, the union has fought attempts to implement the drug testing.
The union's latest suggestion is that only teachers who hold commercial driver's licenses are obligated to be randomly drug tested, State Deputy Attorney General Jim Halvorson said at a news conference yesterday.
The state has been randomly drug testing employees with commercial driver's licenses since 1995 in accordance with federal law, Halvorson said. "I think that you can see that this brand new position by the HSTA ... does not pass the laugh test," Halvorson said. "Why would we have given significant pay raises to the teachers in order to obtain testing that we've been doing all along?"
HSTA President Roger Takabayashi did not return a phone call yesterday seeking a response. Union officials have said they learned — after signing the contract — that random drug testing violates state and federal constitutions.
"The teachers and public are being duped by the current union leadership," said Marie Laderta, director of the state Department of Human Resources Development. "They never intended to implement random drug testing. They never did."
Halvorson pointed to a July 25 petition filed by the HSTA to the Hawai'i Labor Relations Board in which the union's chief negotiator, Raymond Camacho, stated that the HSTA is not obligated to negotiate terms for random drug testing for all of its members, only a portion of them.
The petition went on to say that only teachers with commercial driver's licenses should be subject to random drug testing.
The HSTA earlier had attempted to limit random drug testing to a select group of teachers based on prior drunken-driving or drug convictions.
Gov. Linda Lingle's administration rejected that suggestion, saying it violates the new contract, which called for random drug testing of the state's 13,500 public school teachers. The new contract included pay increases of up to 11 percent over 18 months, most of which already have taken effect. The contract called for the Board of Education and the teachers union to "establish a reasonable suspicion and random drug and alcohol testing procedures applicable to all Bargaining Unit 5 (teachers) ... and implement such plan no later than June 30, 2008."
Also yesterday, Halvorson pointed to a July 29 newsletter from the HSTA to its membership in which the union made several arguments against random drug testing. "One of the disturbing things in this newsletter, though, is HSTA likens drug testing of HSTA members to the Japanese internment in World War II," Halvorson said. "I don't know how ... that could possibly compare to getting a pay raise — a significant one — in return for drug testing."
The HSTA's recent newsletter "Teacher Advocate" included a question-and-answer portion on the issue of random drug testing. Question No. 7 asked: "Why can't we just agree to random drug testing of all teachers?" The response reiterated the union's position that it is prepared to implement drug testing based on reasonable suspicion. However, the response raised questions about the constitutionality of the random drug testing program. "Here are some historical examples of how constitutional rights have been at risk before: Japanese internment during WWII; 120,000 Japanese-Americans were forcefully detained in camps from 1942-45."
On July 18, the state filed a complaint with the Hawai'i Labor Relations Board against the union, alleging the union has failed to negotiate the terms of the testing program in good faith. The complaint was filed in response to a July 17 letter in which the union said it has learned, since the contract was signed, that random testing is not consistent with state and federal constitutions.
The union has filed a petition asking the Hawai'i Labor Relations Board to make a declaratory ruling on the legality of a random drug testing program for teachers. "Today, both parties know much more about the legal issues surrounding drug testing that were not known at the time of the initial agreement," HSTA Executive Director Mike McCartney wrote in a letter to DOE Superintendent Pat Hamamoto.
"We cannot knowingly agree to procedures that violate the state and federal constitutions. Any agreement of this type would subject the state and all of us to unnecessary litigation," McCartney wrote.
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Although many people considered cannabis "socially acceptable", employees were concerned with the drop in performance of cannabis- using employees.
"Workers on cannabis are one- third less productive than those not on it."
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How can people spout crap like this ,I suppose it is all part of product placement in the market place .Create a benefit , one can sell a solution to solve...
Must admit it sure helps commerce , but unfortunately for the dealers of the likes of P , not only is it MUCH harder to detect in workplace drug testing with the required prior warnings , it also performance enhancing .. Lets watch the P epidemic take off in the area .
"Test results are kept confidential between the employee and the drug testing agency."
But if this is the case , whats the point of drug testing?? employer wants a test , pays for it but is not privy to the outcome.. Hey why does not ALCP or NORML start drug testing as a fund raiser on these terms .
It could be set up in the cannabus and travel the country.
tony
Workers get drug tested
By JONATHON HOWE - Manawatu Standard | Thursday, 28 August 2008
More Manawatu employers are testing current and potential workers for drugs such as cannabis and methamphetamine.
New Zealand Drug Detection Agency's Palmerston North manager Calum Davie said the company, which opened in 2007, now conducted drug tests for 75 Manawatu companies.
"There is a real emphasis on health and safety in most workplaces these days and many employers are now acknowledging that drug and alcohol-impaired people are themselves a hazard."
Tests, which can be pre-employment or random, are predominantly done in industry occupations such as transport, energy, gas and engineering.
"Someone working in a bank is unlikely to be a danger to anybody but they can still be tested as part of a pre-employment check."
Random testing could only be legally done in a safety-sensitive occupation, he said.
Cannabis was the most commonly detected drug, accounting for 73 percent of all positive tests, but on the rise was methamphetamine, or P, which accounted for 16.5 percent.
Drugs such as amphetamine, speed, cocaine, opiates and benzodiazepines made up the remainder, he said.
Although many people considered cannabis "socially acceptable", employees were concerned with the drop in performance of cannabis- using employees.
"Workers on cannabis are one- third less productive than those not on it."
Test results are kept confidential between the employee and the drug testing agency.
The New Zealand Drug Detection Agency is the only independent drug testing facility in Palmerston North, but a large number of employers send workers to doctors and occupational health nurses for tests.
I used synthetic urine to pass my pre employment, would fully reccomend Quickfix, comes with temperature gauge on bottle and heater pad.100% success rate to. Just practise a lot before using it so you can do it with one hand.
Don't use the detox drinks etc as they don't get rid of thc from your fatty cells they are ALL a crock, nothing except exercise will get rid of it, then drink lots of water on the morning of test, not to much or youl return a diluted test, take some creatine supplement a few days before as they look at your creatine level, and only pee first then midstream aim for the cup. Dont give your money to the snake oil salesmen
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but if its 30 days without a toke by the time you do the test again you should be fine. Cheers, p.
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