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paula
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Ramble time . . . .
It wasn't really like this so much 20 years ago. In fact it was pretty much OK till about 10 years ago, everything was a lot safer. There weren't so many of these desperado violent entrepreneurs out in the community and there wasn't so much p around either.
To a large degree you can thank Jenny Shipley's National government for slashing the DPB and passing the 1991 Proceeds of Crime act for this. All the ordinary suburban types I knew of in Chch who wholesaled pot shut down or went well underground. They left it to the gangs to supply and invent their new interface with the buyers (da-da! the tinnie house). And most of the single mums I knew became more desperate for some way of having some sort of a life. It was probably like that in other places. Did you know anyone like that ? |
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rukeen
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Joined: Nov 23, 2006
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Location: Thule
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| Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 10:17 pm |
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| paula wrote: | | Quote: | | His point being that your claim of "if it's legal it's shit" is completely fucking retarded. |
I don't think so, I agreed with him because, by comparison with pot, many pharma preparations and drugs are shit. I'm not talking about the individual chemicals, I'm meaning the way they are sold to the public. Or is that too lateral ? |
Come on Paula..
His major claims towards DXM, or "cough syrup" (which is a generalization on its own) can be broken down to this:
| Quote: | 1. You drink cough syrup because you can't get anything else.
2. [You are a kiddy and a waster because you drink cough syrup.]
3. If you want a trip, try something better.
4. Something being legal is shit (implied)
5. Many people think cough syrup is a joke. |
I think I was right in assuming what he was angling at wasn't I? I honestly don't believe he was making comparisons to cannabis, or referring to the way pharmaceuticals are sold to the public lol. Although you may have been, I was not really dealing with your comment.
Just to note: It is completely legal to grow Papaver somniferum and or San Pedro in your back yard. Have a google and find out the chemicals they contain, Slayer. |
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Paul13
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Joined: Nov 16, 2005
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Location: New Zealand
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| Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 10:18 pm |
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| Vikstar wrote: | | Quote: | | There are a lot of them out there trying to quietly grow their own and avoid both the police and the black market. And please don't be mean-spirited and suggest they're all liars, I've met a shitload who clearly aren't. |
Now Paula, I never said they are liars or anything. But IMPO I don't agree with Paul that there might be a majority in those 10% regular users who use it for medical purposes and I base my opinion on the fact that POT is not easy to get in New Zealand, unless ofcorse you got good contacts and there hasn't been many public cases in that ppl who are caught with cannabis were medical users (I know 2 or 3 that happened a few years back).
I think that there might be moderate minority (2% or 3% out of 10%) who are using it for medical purposes but certainly since I don't have factual figures, this all my personal opinion |
I wrote many not the majority. And if 3 out of 10 regular users are medical I think that is many users. Now if you include people who say they use it to destress then I think the medical use is not insignificant. I'm not trying to be pedantic or make a big issue of it - it's just that I don't like to see the medical aspect being trivialised numberwise. The right of R18 use for whatever reason is the main thing - and I'm not particularly disturbed about under 18 use either - except that kids can find it a lot more traumatic if they're caught by prohibition monsters. |
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Vikstar
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| Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 10:32 pm |
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| Quote: | | Now if you include people who say they use it to destress then I think the medical use is not insignificant |
If you mean depression, then yes I agree that there are many ppl who use it for that. But if it constitutes a true Medical case is debatable.
| Quote: | | except that kids can find it a lot more traumatic if they're caught by prohibition monsters. |
True that and there's a higher chance of them getting caught due to ignorance.
Also to Paula and Rukeen;
I never had intention of comparing pot and dxm. I think its a bit retarted if you starting comparing psychoactives. You wouldn't compare Shroom with Pot or LSD with either of them. Each substance has a unique buzz. It might be similar in some aspects (say hallucinations or co-ordination) to some other substance but It NEVA is the same. |
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rukeen
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Joined: Nov 23, 2006
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Location: Thule
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| Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 11:29 pm |
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Umm I was mostly defending you but okay lol...
If you actually read our posts you would realize neither of us were suggesting that. :S In fact wtf does that have to do with anything lol? Maybe DXM really is bad for you because apparently it's ruined your perception a little lol.
However if you would like to go into it..
I would compare psilocybin mushrooms to LSD since they are both psychoactive tryptamines.. Each to their own I guess. But I am of the opinion they are fairly comparable. Despite being NEVA the same.. I have NEVA had 2 LSD trips that were the same either. Gotta draw the line somewhere. |
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Slayer
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Location: dunsterdam
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| Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 4:32 am |
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Dear rukeen,
I love it how you make my argument, which you fabricated, a quote. Also, you can refer to me not in the third person.. and not take a swing at me and direct it to paula.
My apparent argument which you quoted was not my argument at all. That was a collection of things I've said and haven't even said. And misquotes.
I didn't say anything legal is shit, I said it's not illegal because it's shit. As in, it's not much of a problem because the majority of users realise it's shit and don't bother with it.
Which leads onto the majority of DXM users being first time users (generally young - kiddies) or people who like getting their mind written too much and will take whatever works for that purpose (wasters).
I'm sure a lot of people will agree to there being a lot better substances to trip out on than cough syrup. Which is why a lot of wasters would only take it when nothing else is avaliable.
And yes, many people think cough syrup is a joke. Look at the responses this topic got.
And stop telling me to research crap I already know about. A 'using cannabis' forum isn't the place to go on about that crap or cough syrup. Or how you think my point of view is ignorant and wrong. Thanks for turning this topic onto an attack on my opinion.
Love,
'Your little sheep' |
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paula
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Location: Christchurch, NZ
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| Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 2:54 pm |
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| Paula wrote: | | I don't think so, I agreed with him because, by comparison with pot, many pharma preparations and drugs are shit. I'm not talking about the individual chemicals, I'm meaning the way they are sold to the public. Or is that too lateral ? |
Looks like I was being too lateral  What I was meaning and should have said is the comparative harm of using pot vs pharma drugs, particuarly for same medical result.
they are sold to the public was just as bad. I meant pot is presented as the evil weed on a biased (legal vs illegal) evidential basis, while some pretty shite pharma drugs are talked up in relentless marketing. I have no beef with individual chemicals per se, just in the manner they are presented as 'the only way.' |
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34ALL
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Location: West Auckland
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| Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 5:31 pm |
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Anyone tried tripping cactus? I recently obtained one, its a lil thing at the moment...but I plan on letting it grow up nice and strong.
Comments?
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Admit nothing, deny everything and make counter-accusations |
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rukeen
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Joined: Nov 23, 2006
Posts: 1331
Location: Thule
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| Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 5:56 pm |
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| 34ALL wrote: | Anyone tried tripping cactus? I recently obtained one, its a lil thing at the moment...but I plan on letting it grow up nice and strong.
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What kind of cactus? San Pedro? If it is indeed a mescaline containing cactus then you're in for a good time (once you actually stomach the shit).
Dear Slayer,
Mmkay.
From Rukeen. |
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Dorga
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Location: Auckland
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| Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 9:38 pm |
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| 34ALL wrote: | Anyone tried tripping cactus? I recently obtained one, its a lil thing at the moment...but I plan on letting it grow up nice and strong.
Comments? |
Peyote?
I strongly recommend you do not drink it the first time.  |
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rukeen
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| Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 11:43 pm |
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| Lol I was reading someones "extraction method" in which they described how they go about eating their dose (roughly 10" x 4" section of SP). They cut off the 'Vs' that make up the spines and chewed the flesh off the skin, and ate the rest like they would with a cob of corn |
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Vikstar
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Location: New Zealand
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| Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 11:54 pm |
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| Hey Paula how waz da quality of weed 10-15 yrs go. Did you get any hydro or was it mainly outdoor cabbage. |
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paula
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| Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 12:03 am |
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I mostly only saw good outdoor. The hydro was more 'boutique' specialty growers and more rare, though I did know one hydro grower.
The cabbage was back in the 70s mon. 3 spots in a row with as much cab you could pick up off the plate with ya knives LOL Quite messy. |
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Manback
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Joined: Jan 15, 2008
Posts: 254
Location: C-City
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| Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 1:32 pm |
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| Slayer wrote: | It's cough syrup. There's a reason it's still legal - It's ****.
How would my experience with the drug not shed any light on the chemical itself? I ****ing took it.
Just because you like a drug that many others think of as a joke it doesn't mean you need to have a public hissy fit over it. |
Fuck you are a stupid cunt. No offence. But fuck man drugs aren't classed based on how good the TRIP is, it's how bad they are for your body and mind.. So what are you saying?
It's still legal, you're right. Maybe then one could argue it is therefore NOT bad for you.
I mean I'm not really doing that. My point is your logic fucking sucks. The fact that it is legal does not mean it can't get you high.
EDIT: I see someone already made that argument. Sorry I just had to post straight away, because that shit is FUCKING STUPID.
Regarding San Pedro, we are actually trying the acid-base extraction on some San Pedro next week, so hopefully get some mescaline HCL, a salt which can be taken alot more easier than conventional "cactus tea"
The trip is always good tho, drinking it is just a bit nasty |
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Manback
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Location: C-City
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| Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 1:37 pm |
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| paula wrote: | Ramble time . . . .
It wasn't really like this so much 20 years ago. In fact it was pretty much OK till about 10 years ago, everything was a lot safer. There weren't so many of these desperado violent entrepreneurs out in the community and there wasn't so much p around either.
To a large degree you can thank Jenny Shipley's National government for slashing the DPB and passing the 1991 Proceeds of Crime act for this. All the ordinary suburban types I knew of in Chch who wholesaled pot shut down or went well underground. They left it to the gangs to supply and invent their new interface with the buyers (da-da! the tinnie house). And most of the single mums I knew became more desperate for some way of having some sort of a life. It was probably like that in other places. Did you know anyone like that ? |
Was Jenny Sjipley in office in 1991? I don't think she was.. I was only born late '88 and I remember Shipley quite vividly.. |
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