Who has seen Mike Sabin/Methcon on P

paula · Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 2:24 pm

He said the other night at the Chch Town Hall meeting that he'd spoken to 25,000 Chch school pupils. The list and dates of schools are here http://www.mainlandfoundation.co.nz/methcon
I notice the foundation that funded his visits is funded by gambling dens inside the premises of legal drug suppliers (hotels and taverns)

What did he say about pot ? Anyone remember ? My son is at one of those schools but can't recall very accurately.

After the Town Hall meeting I went outside and three teen males there said they'd had him at their school (no need to name it) and they thought after it they'd better stick with weed.

Any comments ?

XLH · Heavy User Joined: Apr 30, 2006 Posts: 192 Location: NZ

Lack of comment on this thread might indicate the very low number of school agers who read this site. Which is probably a good thing.

paula · Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 8:27 pm

Tony · Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 12:08 pm

Maybe they all just went to sleep and missed it.

tony

amylase · Newbie Joined: Oct 07, 2008 Posts: 18 Location: NZ

At our school he just mentioned it briefly, He said that it isn't like Meth. Meth keeps you up for days whereas on pot you can sit down and watch the whole cheech and chong series while looking after your munchies. Then you can go to sleep whenever you want. That's how he referred to Cannabis here, not word for word but close.

paula · Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 8:57 pm

Interesting thanks, can you remember whether that was his standard patter, or was it in response to a question from the audience ?

amylase · Newbie Joined: Oct 07, 2008 Posts: 18 Location: NZ

He definitely mentioned it on a positive stance all throughout the presentation (When he mentioned it) compared to that of P anyway. He seemed like a good guy and the presentation was extremely informative. Hope that's what you wanted to know.

Tony · Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 8:40 am

He sure does not seem to differentiate much between cannabis and methamphetamine in his latest propaganda .

Shame , if he packaged them as they should be he might actually do some good, but he must still think including cannabis in the manner he does it will gain him brownie points with those who hold the purse strings and open doors..I think he may well be wrong..

tony

The new National led government could save as much as five billion dollars a year if they are prepared to address the root cause of its loss, according to MethCon Group director Mike Sabin.

"A study by BERL, Business and Economic Research Group identified illicit drug abuse, headed up by methamphetamine, was found to cost the country around $1.3b in 2006, while alcohol abuse is conservatively thought to cost the country between $1b and $4b a year", said Mr. Sabin .

"We are in the middle of an economic crisis and the new government has signalled a clear intention to maximise productivity and minimise loss and while it seldom forms part of strategic economic thinking, drug and alcohol abuse are leading contributors of economic and financial loss", claimed Mr. Sabin.

"It is estimated that about 77 percent of all drug users are in full time employment and that drug abuse is responsible for two to three times higher rates of absenteeism, 30 percent lower productivity and between 3.6 to 5 times higher rates of accident and injury", claimed Mr. Sabin

"Of just as much concern is the fact that New Zealand now has the highest rates of cannabis and methamphetamine abuse in the world and around 800 000 New Zealanders are thought to be drinking at levels that is causing brain injury," said Mr. Sabin
cannabis and methamphetamine
"Tomorrow the new government and its Ministers will be sworn in and top of their list of 'to do' list will be navigating New Zealand out of this economic minefield. The question remains how far their strategies will go in addressing the root cause of so much economic and social loss", said Mr. Sabin

"It is widely accepted that drug and alcohol abuse is a common contributor to social costs through crime, but there is an anchor holding our economic engine from achieving potential that Ministers would be well served to address. At the heart of productivity is the people who work to create it, and by addressing this issue, there are literally billions to be saved, with the added but significant benefit of reducing crime and social cost along the way," said Mr. Sabin

amylase · Newbie Joined: Oct 07, 2008 Posts: 18 Location: NZ

Very informative, thanks for posting that. Its interesting to see that after the presentation, it would seem he is a little 2-faced! The bit I find interesting is this:

"Of just as much concern is the fact that New Zealand now has the highest rates of cannabis and methamphetamine abuse in the world"

On documentaries on P that I have seen, Hawaii looks to be much worse off, they are blaming the economic slump on Meth there and then there is many states in america were its a serious problem. Surely we can't be that bad.

Yep, if he tells students that smoking pot that it is bad and so is meth and doesn't differentiate they won't take him/meth seriously. Seems outside of the schools he is just another Richard Nixon.

paula · Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 10:09 am

Thanks for posting that amylase, very interesting to see how effectively Sabin can change his spots to suit the audience. When I was in high school in early 70s it was heroin and "marijuana" the moral panic brigade were concerned about. The nuns once got an ex-heroin user in from somewhere, and he talked about cannabis and heroin in the same way too. I got into a spot of bother a few years later when I had the opportunity to try it

Having said that I've known many people who experimented same and are also alive and well today. Whereas regular meth use is a completely different kettle of fish, being a strong stimulant. I've met a few people over the years who kinda fried their brains with speed through too regular use so I haven't touched meth. The benefits do not outweigh the risks. Due to its popularity its sure seems to have made the black market a more dangerous place to go looking for pot, especially if you're young and inexperienced.


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