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I have been waiting for CANDOR to quote the recent sts out of Vic. and then reconsider the cannabs situation and focus on the real problem.. findling and rome burning springs to mind
Joined: Dec 01, 2003 Posts: 3278 Location: Christchurch, NZ
Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 1:20 am
Here on the radio the researcher says 'When it comes to other drugs, the evidence is not so clear-cut." [Give us more money]
Roadside drug testing under spotlight
31 December , 2007 08:18:00
http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2007/s2129174.htm
ELEANOR HALL: A survey by the National Drug and Alcohol Research Centre reveals that almost half of the young drivers questioned admitted to driving under the influence of drugs like ice and ecstasy.
The New South Wales Government is preparing a further rollout of roadside testing for illegal drugs.
But, as Simon Lauder reports, the program hasn't been accompanied by the sort of education campaign which warned about the dangers of driving under the influence of alcohol. (Researcher Paul Dillon.)
SIMON LAUDER: The National Drug and Alcohol Research Centre surveyed 419 young people in Sydney night clubs.
About 40 per cent had taken ecstasy before driving, and 30 per cent had taken speed before taking the wheel. 72 per cent had been a passenger in a car with a drug-affected driver.
PAUL DILLON: It appeared that there was little knowledge, or little understanding, of the dangers associated with getting behind the wheel of a car with a range of illicit drugs, including ecstasy.
SIMON LAUDER: Paul Dillon says it's obviously a bad idea to drive under the influence of mind-altering drugs, but some drug users aren't convinced it's as dangerous as drink driving, because there's not as much evidence.
PAUL DILLON: I suppose our great problem is that for alcohol the information around drinking and driving is quite clear. When it comes to other drugs, the evidence is not so clear-cut.
SIMON LAUDER: So that's a problem, I suppose, we can't really tell people that they shouldn't be driving under the influence of drugs if we don't know the real effects.
PAUL DILLON: Well, I think the evidence we have still says it's not a good idea. The whole idea of using any drug is to alter your perception, to make you feel a different way, and to change where you're at.
The one place you don't want to change where you're at is behind the wheel of a car.
SIMON LAUDER: The results of the State Government commissioned study have been released as the Police Minister announces a rollout of two more police trucks for roadside drug testing in New South Wales.
But Paul Dillon says the public isn't being informed about the risks of driving while high.
PAUL DILLON: Particularly because of the rollout of roadside drug testing in New South Wales, and across the country. It really is extremely important that we combine the rollout with an education campaign that really gives better quality information to this culture, about the very real risks that they're taking part in.
SIMON LAUDER: Do you see that happening at the moment?
PAUL DILLON: Um, I haven't heard of any education campaign.
SIMON LAUDER: Of more than five and a half thousand drivers tested for illicit drugs in New South Wales this year, 156 returned a positive result. The Police Minister, David Campbell, says that justifies extra resources for roadside tests. He's not committing to a public awareness campaign.
DAVID CAMPBELL: It is clear that people driving with these drugs in their system are causing part of the road toll, and that's why the Government has given the police the powers and the equipment to begin to do something about it.
SIMON LAUDER: With drink driving, there are warnings to drivers on billboards, and on television, and in newspapers. Why aren't there similar warnings for illicit drugs?
DAVID CAMPBELL: Well, this is a problem that the Government has begun to address by commissioning the National Drug and Alcohol Research Centre to conduct this study of driving and clubbing in Sydney, as I say, a study of drug use and risk among nightclub attendees.
ELEANOR HALL: The New South Wales Police Minister, David Campbell, ending that report from Simon Lauder.
Here's the newspaper, reporting tough on drugs political spin
NSW govt to up drug driving deterrence
December 31, 2007 - 4:44PM
http://news.theage.com.au/nsw-govt-to-up-drug-driving-deterrence/20071231-1jkp.html
The NSW government has defended its efforts to curb drugged driving after a survey found an alarming number of young people admitted to the practice.
The National Drug and Alcohol Research Centre survey found 73 per cent of young people at nightclubs admitted to being passengers in a car while knowing the driver was under the influence of ecstasy, ice, cocaine or cannabis, at some stage.
Almost 40 per cent of respondents admitted they took ecstasy before driving and 30 per cent admitted they had driven after taking methamphetamine.
Nearly one in five drove after taking cocaine and a similar number drove after taking ice.
Opposition Leader Barry O'Farrell has accused Labor of failing to provide police with enough drug buses to conduct random roadside testing.
The state government commissioned a drug testing bus in January and plans to have two more on the road early in the new year. But Mr O'Farrell said even then NSW would be lagging behind Vic toria.
"We will only have three [drug buses] when Victoria has eight, despite the fact NSW's population is 25 per cent greater," Mr O'Farrell told reporters in Sydney. "The state government needs to get serious about this issue."
Police Minister David Campbell said the government was committed to tackling the problem, while conceding that "Victoria started this process before NSW".
"We've watched closely and learnt from the Victorian experience," Mr Campbell said. The minister said existing mobile drug testing methods and technology was "quite cumbersome" and the government would more readily deploy it as technology "evolved".
Premier Morris Iemma said the survey also found that 46 per cent of drug drivers would change their behaviour if they thought they could be pulled over and tested. "The survey has highlighted a change in attitude as we saw with ... random breath testing," Mr Iemma told reporters. "It changed culture and it changed attitudes and this one [random drug testing] will as well."
I have been waiting for CANDOR to quote the recent sts out of Vic. and then reconsider the cannabs situation and focus on the real problem.. findling and rome burning springs to mind
tony
December 13 last year until June 30,
Victoria Police tested 5054 car drivers and
2153 truck drivers.
Of those, 103 returned positive tests for
methamphetamines and six for cannabis.
Candor won't quote these statistics, it doesn't provide the hype they want to make cannabis look as evil as they proport it to be.
Only 6 out of 5054 drivers in a country where people are allowed to grow cannabis in small quantities or possess small quantities without fear of prosecution says alot in my book, it shows how responsible the majority of cannabis users are regarding driving, it should be compared to figures around 5054 drivers who were tested for alcohol and what percentage of them tested positive, then the real picture should emerge. _________________ A pain free day the marijuana way.
Joined: Dec 01, 2003 Posts: 3278 Location: Christchurch, NZ
Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 7:24 pm
Seems to me its more a gravy train for researchers and police budget applications, plus a free gift for lazy media and politicians. And just brainwashing for general public.
I have been unable to find a link to the stats you quote Tony, so perhaps the Aussie media and other grifters aren't publishing it either.
Joined: Sep 24, 2005 Posts: 504 Location: new zealand
Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 8:15 am
Hey, I seem to remember telling you all that Raechael Ford was a dishonest two faced bitch.......................... and she proves it time and time again
......................... she's could be a bastard child of john banks or something ..........................
Joined: Feb 19, 2004 Posts: 1347 Location: Nelson area
Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 3:27 pm
I'm certain the Press won't be printing my letter it's been a week. So here it is.
Dear sir,
Candor's spokespeople in their letter (26/12/07) claim Giles Brown is pushing drug-law liberalisation. This accusation is surely to detract from the spokespeople's own untenable prohibition stance.
Candor tries to claim that since hashish has more THC, then it must be more dangerous. This claim is ridiculous, The higher the THC content the less the user will use.
Not since Harry Anslinger's 1930's comment, comparing Frankenstein's monster to cannabis have I read such tripe linking hash consumption to assassins. According to Edward Burman. "The assassins - Holy killers of Islam". There is no historic evidence, aside from the claims of their enemies, that killers were fed hashish before being sent off to kill. The Arabic word "Hashasheen" simply means "noisy or riotous".
It seems that with nearly all the facts in showing the near harmlessness of cannabis. The prohibitionist are so desperate to prop-up their misguide stance on prohibition, that they will drag out of their "bare-cupboard" another baseless lie. Hoping to hoodwink the general public.
Steven Wilkinson _________________ Regulation will set cannabis free
I wonder if Candor might not well be more useful if they worried about kava not cannabis .. I think with some new studies soon to come out it might well prove interesting.
Wonder if Candor and Jim will turn a blind eye , ignore kava and all the complications it would entail and just keep victimizing cannabis users, and easy target.
tony
Kava
* Introduction to kava
* Health effects
* Government action
* Further information
Introduction to Kava
Kava is a drink made from the Piper Methysticum plant. It is widely used in Pacific communities, largely for ceremonial purposes.
Kava is usually made by mixing a dry powered root with water. The strength of kava depends on the plant from which it is prepared and the preparation methods.
Kava resin contains active chemicals know as kava lactones. While 15 lactones have been identified, six are thought to account for the majority of kava's effects.
Health Effects
It is fair to say that reliable information on kava is limited.
Certainly in New Zealand there is limited information on the prevalence of kava use, however, there is also a dearth of reliable information on the short- and long-term health effects of kava abuse.
Kava is a depressant and as such it slows down the central nervous system. It is usually drunk and is absorbed through the stomach into the bloodstream.
Long-term kava is associated with weight loss, malnutrition, liver damage and scaly skin. Often health suffers and a disinterest in life, family, etc. has been reported.
Kava may also contribute to a lower platelet volumes and pulmonary hypertension.
The sharing of cups and poor preparation methods has contributed to the transmission of hepatitis B.
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