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The medicinal wonders of marijuana Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 10:27 pm
XLH wrote: i know someone bipolar who for years has confounded all the psych experts by being able to function virtually normally on a bit of pot
Ah, the medicinal wonders of marijuana. Skimmed through all 69 pages of the DEA judge's 1988 ruling this afternoon. It's full of stories like the person you mentioned, people with crippling diseases like MS who go from needing care while on "medicines" and yet undergo a miraculous transformation, that confounds the 'extwerps" of course, when they smoke some pot. Many patients even get to a point where they can look after themselves and sometimes their own kids too.
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Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 10:34 pm
most my friends smoke,
one of my cousins, he took p, ild never take the crap ive seen what class a can do,
but anyway
he took p, and told me he beat his girl friend and then raped her
this guy is never nasty to anyone, so exsplane that
no matter what anyone says, there is bad drugs, and alot of lost people
oh hell ok, awful point taken about your cousin and p.
but i have to wonder, and try to keep things in context, because there are a lot of guys out there who have done exactly the same after too much alcohol.
oh hell ok, awful point taken about your cousin and p.
but i have to wonder, and try to keep things in context, because there are a lot of guys out there who have done exactly the same after too much alcohol.
most my friends smoke,
one of my cousins, he took p, ild never take the crap ive seen what class a can do,
but anyway
he took p, and told me he beat his girl friend and then raped her
this guy is never nasty to anyone, so exsplane that
The fundamental problem with trying to preemptively stop addiction is that noone acknowledges it can happen to them before it's too late.
Anti-addiction ads are merely funny to most people, but then if they do indeed become addicted to something they wish they'd listened to the ads.
The ads therefore can't serve their purpose, really. But I mean, they're trying to save lives. Give them some credit. What else can they do to stop munters getting hooked on P?
Drugs and violence - the Muricidal Rat Test Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 12:32 pm
I agree with those who say beware of the media frenzy regarding violence and P. After all, "it wasn't my fault, the P made me do it" is a great excuse.
Now I'm not saying that P doesn't have the potential to make people violent. Nor am I saying that P is as safe as cannabis but the media (newspapers mainly) also did the same with marijuana and violence in the 1930s: If the hideous monster Frankenstein came face to face with the monster Marihuana, he would drop dead of fright!" I read this wee snippet the other day: The spectacular stories raised bizarre expectations of behaviour. A Texas prison warden gave one inmate a reefer to smoke so an AMA [American Medical Association] investigator could witness the transmutation, but "to the surprise of the American Prison Physician and the jailer, who assured me three whiffs would drive fellows so wild that they became exceptionally difficult to subdue," the prisoner remained calm and quiet. - from a 1922 report to the AMA. And they didn't even have TV back then to help brainwash the masses.
Anyway, it's my belief that drug policy should be fact based and there is one fact that is totally undeniable: Whatever the harmful effects of using a particular drug are, the Prohibition of that drug can be guaranteed to maximise the harmful effects to both the individual drug user and society in general. The legal/illegal drug dichotomy also means that people can abuse legal drugs without realising the harm they're doing to themselves or other people. Meanwhile any use of an illegal drug is deemed to be drug abuse.
Consider the following from the excellent Chemistry of Mind-Altering Drugs, the Dissociatives and Cannabinoids chapter: "...as for marijuana affecting violent behaviour, it definately does. It inhibits it. In fact, a standard test that has been used to assay cannabimimetic activity is the rat muricidal inhibition protocol (47). Rats will ordinarily kill a mouse introduced into their home cage within less than 5 seconds. But if the rats are given enough delta9-THC or another active cannabinoid, Lo! The lion lies down with the lamb; the child sleeps over the adder's nest" (48).
Ref. 47: Says that the muricidinal rat test is described on p22 in J.Med.Chem, 1977, 20, p17-24.
Ref. 48: Says "On the other hand there is one drug that, when given to rats in large doses, will cause them to attack each other and even mutilate themselves in an enraged frenzy."
What is this terrible drug? Could it be P?
If you guessed the drug is caffeine, well done! I can't help but wonder if the increased consumption of "energy drinks" has led to an an increase in caffeine consumption which has in turn increased the amount of "rage" within the population. No-one seems particularly concerned about "energy drinks" but I've noticed that they cause some undesirable behaviour. For instance, people will often say that they need one before buying one (indicates addiction). People often drink many in one day (habit forming).
I had a friend who became difficult to be around if he drank too many at once. It made me do some reading about caffeine. I was shocked by what I read and I cut my own coffee intake by half. Making and drinking a cup of coffee had genarally been the first thing that I'd done every morning for many years. Then I got a flash coffee maker. Unfortunately, sometimes it would go wrong and I'd have to wait for it to cool down before I could fix it and then get my fix. This was not a happy time so I eventually gave up the coffee for tea. It's not the same but I feel better for it (once the headache went away). Still love the smell of coffee. Even thinking about it, mmmm...
But it's interesting to note the progression from a mild form of caffeine use to harder forms: I started off with Instant Coffee, progressed to Beans-and-Plunger and then became a full-on caf-fiend with an expresso machine!
So caffeine is no safe drug but most people would say "surely it must be because it's legal".
Everyday I see allt he school kids at the station waiting for the train chugging on thier energy drinks....I can't help feeling sorry for the poor teachers who will have to deal with them.
Along your caffiene in soceity theme...is it just me or are they doing a lot more advertising of those espresso machines? You might say that more and more people are moving onto the 'Hard' stuff.
All those people who can't wake up or get out of bed without a coffee they are all basically addicts who need their fix.
Take sugary drinks or foods...the companies know we get a quick up/high from sugar and therefore make all thier product that bit sweeter than what they need to be. Breakfast cerials for kids..coco-pops etc all pre sweetened to so have no choice but to have super sweet cerial...training the young consumers to demand sweet things...
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